So I spent some time and looked at the number of reported sales by extension, of course .com was far and away the leader. .Org was second and .net third. Surprisingly .Ai was fourth.
There were many domain extensions that had 0 to 9, there are some on the list where I did include a low number. Reasons being that either the extension had a couple big sales or was down from a decent number the year before.
These number highlight that when you step outside com/org you are investing in extensions that generate only 1 to 20 reported sales a month.
Extension 2019 vs 2018
COM 92,744 vs 69,906
Net 2,823 vs 2,430
Org 5,252 vs 4,325
Info 312 vs 256
.IO 838 vs 915
.Co 390 vs 470
.Ai 2,220 vs 310
.Tv 218 vs 209
.De 443 vs 458
.At 22 vs 42
.App 38 vs 13
.Be 21 vs 17
.Biz 78 vs 107
.Ca 22 vs 32
.CC 274 vs 284
.CH 56 vs 50
.Club 104 vs 141
.Co.uk 107 vs 224
.Com.au 11 vs 16
.ES 38 vs 39
.Eu 58 vs 62
.Fr 56 vs 56
.GG 30 vs 11
.Global 93 vs 100 all but 4 in 2019 were registry sales
.In 54 vs 40
.It 24 vs 28
.Ly 121 vs 183
.Me 221 vs 140
.Mobi 33 vs 18
.NL 29 vs 31
.Nyc 23 vs 48
.Pro 22 vs 19
.Se 19 vs 8
.Sh 28 vs 26
.To 84 vs 129
.Top 314 vs 557
.Uk 281 vs 8
.Us 144 vs 123
.Vc 27 vs 23
.World 9 vs 23
.Xyz 14 vs 50
All sales data courtesy of Namebio
The excellent news is ccTLDs are on the rise. But the sad part is, the non-reporting of many big sales in ccTLDs or at least in .in extension. For example, recently, “India Portals”(Directi/Radix) sold Casino.in , and going by their past price quote, they never let any of their top keyword domains for anything less than six figures. They seem to have sold more than 50 % of their total .in portfolio, yet you cannot find even a single sales of theirs in Namebio, and that is hurting the extension/domainers.
Every “Domain Investor” should be studying this chart and stop kidding themselves about what domain investing is all about!!
So simple!!!!
Learn to focus on what works and start to ignore the BS spewed by those with agendas cuz they want YOU to buy the stock THEY own! lol
Schwartz FYI:
“…the article clearly states reported sales, if people can’t grasp that, they have much bigger problems in life than domain sales.” – Raymond
1. When there is a $500k sale of a new G he calls it fake!
2. When we see news of someone selling new Gs for 25k, 35k etc. a pop, he calls them outliers!
3. When I build a website to showcase .nyc domains being used (http://www.developed.nyc) he calls it desperate!
4. When I detail my journey through first two years of small losses as I build a portfolio, followed by break even, followed by exponential profit – he points to 60-70k registrations in a TLD being death!
5. When I show flips from $20 to $5-10k and an ROI of 50,000% he says that I only made $9,800 profit and it’s not a 5 figure sale!
6. When anyone points this out to him on Twitter – he blocks them!
Raymond, you saying “…the article clearly states reported sales, if people can’t grasp that, they have much bigger problems in life than domain sales.”
How does that connect with Scwartz’s manipulation of this “news”? Does he have bigger issues?
No he’s just ironically using it, wholeheartedly to push his own agenda. Schwartz, you’re the only one trying to sell stock in thousands of marginal .coms that you own.
You really should be afraid – I can understand why you are. .com prices are increasing. Demand for your marginal domains is decreasing. It is easier to twist news to try and control new G sentiment… but I have to say it’s futile. You should do some portfolio spring cleaning and get rid of a bunch.
Plus stop twisting every piece of domain news towards your agenda most people see through it and are tired of it.
Raymond, you should have a big disclaimer saying that actual sales are far greater than reported sales.
I had 43 .nyc sales last year, a massive increase from the year before and profit increased exponentially. None of these sales are listed on Namebio – why would they be? And there are other private sales in other TLDs not reported.
Most of the Namebio sales are scraped from GD/NJ/Sedo auctions which will obviously be bias towards .com many new G sales are happening and remain unreported.
No need for that, the article clearly states reported sales, if people can’t grasp that, they have much bigger problems in life than domain sales.
What matters for most if not all except those with an agenda, is reported sales.
Anyone can say anything, most people don’t believe an avatar of someone they don’t know. Hell on thedomains.com I got someone saying they did a 9 figure sale, probably to troll others but either way who cares? If it’s not documented it only means something to you, no one else.
I guess the whole business can just have everyone walking around saying oh I sold this you just will never know about it, well ok, who cares? Even if I believe you, who cares?
Years ago a friend once said to me he had a friend who was stronger than the guy who won world’s strongest man, I said he should have competed then, no one recognizes or will ever recognize your friend.
Schwartz recent Tweet:
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Do you want to be a SMART domain #investor or do you want to be/remain a DUMB domain investor?
I suggest you STUDY this chart and stop spitting in the wind in 2020. DUH!
#Domains #newGTLD #ccTLD #branding #realestate #marketing #sales #selling #internet
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He’s projecting charts like this as gospel and it’s far from it. There is a dumbing down of society and those with supposed credibility are exploiting that, manipulating it to protect their own interests.
We see it daily from politics, to ads on TV to labels on products in the grocery store. People cannot decipher credibility and they believe author’s POV without question.
Look at Schwartz’s use of CAPS in the tweet I quoted – what’s the purpose? SMART vs. DUMB – simple words, shouted to get your attention. Follow his thoughts otherwise you have the label of DUMB! DON’T question him or YOU”LL remain DUMB. REMAIN, because you were DUMB before but if YOU STUDY you will be SMART like him… give me a break.
Question everything. Question motive. Question sales and fairly question why there may be a lack of sales reported in some TLDs.
Well I did not read Rick’s tweet and Rick knows not all sales are reported, I guess as an industry we really need to have a discussion about reported vs unreported, what people think matters? What does it say for the health of an extension? etc…
I will get a post up on that to start the discussion, probably on TheDomains.
Appreciate that Raymond.
I’m getting feisty about this because yes, Rick knows not all sales are reported, but he chooses to communicate to people otherwise.
I don’t know you, I will tell you I don’t believe you sold 43 .Nyc names, I don’t. Maybe you did but you provided no proof, so without proof I don’t believe.
No one believes there are many unreported new gtld sales, no one but those heavily invested in new gtlds, Those people really should be reporting to actually establish credibility.
I agree to question everything. Question my sales. Question my bias. Look into my credibility based on the information I’ve shared at these links:
http://www.developed.nyc/investors-experience-nyc-domains/
*Where I talk about 34 sales (I write about the good, the bad and the ugly as well as the risk – no flexing just a description of my experiences)
http://www.developed.nyc/carousel-nyc-sells-for-7000/
*Where I show a $20 to $7,000 flip of carousel.nyc with an Afternic screenshot (where they took $1300 commission)
http://www.dnjournal.com/archive/domainsales/2018/20181219.htm
*Shaw.nyc was #15 in DN Journal’s top 20 sales a year ago – another $20 to $7,000 Afternic sale)
I’ve written about others buying up .nycs in the $3.5-7k range:
http://www.developed.nyc/one-person-spent-86800-on-21-nyc-domains/
Should I continue to report each and every sale? Why should I? To give deniers free information? Get outta here. I’ve provided enough free information and you don’t know how to parse it.
Most of the new tlds in the list have tanked pretty hard,
.Club 104 vs 141
.Nyc 23 vs 48
.World 9 vs 23
.Xyz 14 vs 50
The only new tld on the list that hasn’t declined is .app and that is only because it launched in mid 2018.
So Snoopy, you can continue to pick and choose the information that parses in your brain before you comment, but I’ll continue to point out what you should already know.
.com sales are more likely to be included in Namebio because of where the data comes from (auto pulled from GDA/NJ/Sedo etc.) Those are auction sites which are predominantly visited by investors looking for .coms. New G owners are more in hold mode than sell mode and sales of new Gs are more likely to be private sales.
It is very easy to see why these sales are more likely to remain private… people protecting niches, sellers finding their pricing structure, sellers not wanting to affect the available drops for their niches/TLD.
You show .nyc sales dropping from 48 (2018) to 23 (2019) yet even a 60 second search will show that .nyc had a premium auction for travel and tourism related domains in May 2018 which automatically fed Namebio the results:
http://www.developed.nyc/nyc-travel-domains-auction-results/
BUT who wants to focus on those types of details right, Snoopy? When leaving those details out helps you push questionable data insights to further your agenda?
Also I have provided details of many domain names sales that are not in Namebio and that I couldn’t care less if they are in there or not. But let’s ignore that because it isn’t helpful for your story telling!
The data is clear, stop the excuses.
Snoopy, your ignorance is so blatant. Thank you.
Who the fuck doesn’t know there are unreported sales? People claim to have seen bigfoot too, the lochness monster, it’s just that tricky proof thing ehh?
Cursing isn’t too classy when trying to make a point either – try to work on that.
Not tricky at all to prove sales – I’ve provided much information above about sales. Next you’ll want my birth certificate and then call that fake.
It is not my mission to convince you of anything. It is my mission to expose those with secret hidden agendas to repress not-.com positive news. To expose those who twist a very incomplete table of data for their own objectives. Not Raymond, he just presented the data, but Schartz and Snoopy who love to stretch the truth while ignoring other truths.
86% were .COM domain name sales in 2019. 3.2% increase overall against other extensions in 2019.
25% increase in .COM sales in 2019.
Enough said.
86% for the world’s biggest franchise.
That 14% of non-.com sales is bigger than I imagined.
I can see why some of you folks are scared and try to limit discussion by saying things like “enough said”.
The numbers speak for themselves.
COMmon sense.
As has been documented here in this thread, the numbers are wildly incomplete and inaccurate. But if it makes you sleep easier at night, believe it all.
There are 43 .nyc sales at a minimum that are missing from Namebio. Plus hundreds of other sales.
Of course Namebio is biased towards the TLDs it automatically pulls in. Auction sites are mainly selling .coms. New Gs are rarely sold on auction sites.
p.s. Mark what you did with the “COMmon sense” gave me a real “belly laugh” as Schwartz would say.
There are THOUSANDS of .COM domain sales that are not reported because of NDA agreements or they just don’t report their sales.
Namebio’s .COM reported domain sales are just the tip of the iceberg.
Mark – my point isn’t which TLDs sell more or for higher prices!
Obviously it’s .com. My point is the folks who use this “data” as their proof of “no new G sales” are being deceptive.
But I think we’ve flogged this to death now.
The amazing thing is the market share increase, not what I expected. This is akin to Amazon or Google where the bigger it gets the better it seems to work. Opposite to what many argued that .com was “tapped out” and would lose market share, instead the opposite is happening as it builds more and more momentum.
.COM market share is definitely trending upwards.
It will probably be 90% or more before 2025.
Does feel like it is headed to 90%.
I don’t think that it is tapped out, but it will lose market share. It is just not exciting any more.
Not exciting to invest in and not exciting for end users. I’ve had many end users tell me that .com has become meaningless and .nyc is meaningful – their words, not mine.
I know little about about other new Gs though I have a few .funs, .runs, .boston, .miami, .london, .vegas. The .geos have been very kind to me!
.COM gained 3.2% market share in 2019.
Thanks Raymond.
This is time consuming for you and very useful read for domain investors…
Thanks,
Ravi
you can’t create a picture when you don’t have all the data
mostly all my sales stay unreported for 20 years
sedo doesn’t report any sale below a certain figure
( definitely, no xxx sales and the majority will be below that number as the median price is xxx at sedo )
so never trust a statistic you didn’t fake yourself
“you can’t create a picture when you don’t have all the data”
Of course you can. People have been making up these excuses for years with new tlds and other domains that don’t sell well. Some people refuse to believe anything bad about domains they hold, recipe for financial disaster.
Some people refuse to believe anything good about the new Gs.
And they refuse to believe that there are people making $ with them even though sales are announced outside of Namebio and in many cases can be verified or come with screenshots from Afternic or Ron verifies them for DN Journal.
well we are familiar with unreported sales..they are high and usually in the millions of dollars as reported by George Kirkios from analyzing SEC reporting documents.
There is no quantifying data on non reported domain sales it is all confidential.
What is not measured cannot be quantified..The majority of the domain market is confidential
A big chunk of it is reported by Escrow.com, probably over 50%. They are not “usually in the millions”, most are 3/4/5 figures.
Ridiculous. Escrow do not report on these specifics.
When will you stop making stuff up?
Never seen they did. They report on categories and price and it is very easy to see that most unreported sales are not “usually in the millions”. 7 figure sales are a rarity.
How do you know what unreported sales (com or otherwise) go for?
Please read the Escrow.com reports then come back. Data on every category imaginable and obvious when there has been a large sale.
Ok so nothing specific as I said. Perhaps they’re just making up numbers too!
You cannot have it both ways Snoopy.
Ok so as for .APP extension alone, mainland China alone, one site alone, one registrar alone, one type of sales category alone (BIN, discard PUSH records), there’s already 4452 official sale records missing in year 2019, from whatever you are citing or referring from. Namebio does not represent the whole picture nor the world, but only one piece of a thousand pieces puzzle at best. lol.
Sounds made up, there is barely any .app aftermarket.
Well for one the registry sales aren’t listed, but they should be if people paid a premium to buy them – doesn’t matter who from.
As more and more people show that there are new Gs selling out there, Snoopy continues to deny.
Sure everyone is making everything up! A little too paranoid but if that’s what makes you sleep better.
lol, you got that wrong, 4452 isn’t registry sales, it’s aftermarket BIN sales, PUSH sales are way more than that number. Altogether it’s more than 10K for this one site alone in mainland China.
363.hk , that’s only PART of the sales happening in mainland China on daily basis ALONE, this does not represent the whole picture either, anyone think they know it all without knowing is hilarious.
That snoopy guy got stuff in his head, just ignore him, he’s just a frog in the well.
Yea in your world and small circle is barely, just not any world we lived in. rofl.
If you are interested in Ethos Capital, the company that buys ORG will also buy AI extension to establish itself with other hidden names and not pay taxes in the US.
The ORG extension will become a multi-million dollar business.
ethoscapital.ai NOT AVAILABLE
You can’t choose to ignore the data you have because of the data you don’t have.
Chances are it would not move the needle too far one way or the other even if you did have it.
This is what we have and it tells a very vivid story for anyone that’s astute enough to figure it out and follow the numbers and the trends. They are simply numbers. Interpret as you like.
Put in your own data and biases and see how much it changes things. If at all.
Agree, ignoring the data is an excuse for people who invest in extensions with barely any sales. It is a way of denying the obvious truth, like people who buy dozens of lottery tickets each week but don’t want to know about the math.
Great. Appreciate you dialing it back Schwartz. Much more reasonable.
Happy New Year.